tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6342364914875572105.post215124488366540417..comments2023-12-10T17:20:11.228-06:00Comments on WISSUP = WISCONSIN SPEAKS UP: West Bend's YA Librarian disses Area Youth/ParentsWest Bend Citizen Advocatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16674336754911157020noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6342364914875572105.post-42753570114797819082009-05-26T12:53:09.322-05:002009-05-26T12:53:09.322-05:00CWBC, You should not be shocked. Ginny has spent ...CWBC, You should not be shocked. Ginny has spent the last 18-24 months figuring ways to escalate the emotion around whatever cause she is touting. It's easier to do that than have a coherent debate and face the critcism when she is wrong.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00673001933871352981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6342364914875572105.post-71090372658953077372009-05-26T08:27:01.626-05:002009-05-26T08:27:01.626-05:00CWBC: Perhaps you should be shocked. Here is a q...CWBC: Perhaps you should be shocked. Here is a quote from Scott in the WB News today - <br /><br />"We plan to march from the corner of Oak and Fifth Avenue to the library at about 3 p.m."<br /><br />I'm shocked that Scott would use such inflammatory language. Shocked.West Bend Citizen Advocatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674336754911157020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6342364914875572105.post-424898639115381132009-05-25T15:00:09.699-05:002009-05-25T15:00:09.699-05:00Amanda said "(And books like "Perks" - in which on...Amanda said "(And books like "Perks" - in which one of the big messages, which you'd know if you'd read it, is that sexual activity is a bad deal outside of a caring, committed relationship - are good for a lot of teenagers anyway.)"<br /><br />The message is irrelevant. The wording used to convey the message is what is in question here.<br /><br />I personally do not care if the book is about how to spread the cause of world peace while being financially stable and wearing properly matched clothing, if it includes one graphic scene describing a sexual interaction, the "positive message" is irreversibly tarnished.<br /><br />Guilty by association I guess.Aurickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10377409822528570474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6342364914875572105.post-74946400673012037632009-05-25T10:22:15.722-05:002009-05-25T10:22:15.722-05:00Interesting. Can you explain? I have not seen anyt...<I>Interesting. Can you explain? I have not seen anything that indicates such. Please provide substantiation, if you could. Thanks!</I><BR><BR>...are you kidding? She's clearly not protesting "parents/patrons/youth" because <I>a lot of them support her</I>. You're the one who picked this fight, so it's pretty clearly protesting <I>your</I> views (and the views of your followers) - not "youth", many of whom read and enjoy and learn from these books; and not "patrons" and "parents", many of whom support the right of young adults to read what they choose. Come on now.Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12409205786408787574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6342364914875572105.post-65366944077545432032009-05-25T08:28:06.291-05:002009-05-25T08:28:06.291-05:00"the target of this event is YOU"
Interesting. Ca..."the target of this event is YOU"<br /><br />Interesting. Can you explain? I have not seen anything that indicates such. Please provide substantiation, if you could. Thanks!<br /><br />:::still waiting:::West Bend Citizen Advocatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674336754911157020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6342364914875572105.post-40237764674964132142009-05-24T14:47:32.145-05:002009-05-24T14:47:32.145-05:00And one more thing: This, by the way, is common se...And one more thing: <I>This, by the way, is common sense.</I>I feel like that's always the appeal people make when they realize the law isn't actually on their side. You know how kiddos (and young-looking adults, like myself) have to show ID to go to or purchase an R-rated movie, M-rated video game, or (sometimes) an "explicit" CD? Nobody has to do that for any book at all. A kid could walk into a Barnes and Noble and look at or even purchase a book from the "sex and relationships" section, no problem. (Which is why I am always, always an advocate of active parenting.)<br /><br />So you can't really appeal to the law here, is all I'm saying. Kids can read or look at or buy whatever books they want, <I>legally</I>. (No, that does not include magazines. And libraries don't stock <I>Hustler</I>.)<br /><br />(And books like "Perks" - in which one of the big messages, which you'd know if you'd read it, is that sexual activity is a bad deal outside of a caring, committed relationship - are good for a lot of teenagers anyway.)Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12409205786408787574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6342364914875572105.post-16184089810229183552009-05-24T14:39:30.438-05:002009-05-24T14:39:30.438-05:00Unrelated, but this is my new favorite child: http...Unrelated, but this is my new favorite child: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/24/kid-keeping-a-lendin.html<br /><br /><br />You can't keep 'em down, Ginny. They're going to read whether the authorities approve of it or not.Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12409205786408787574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6342364914875572105.post-27200740042783272382009-05-24T09:27:24.849-05:002009-05-24T09:27:24.849-05:00"The people who feel sexually explicit books shoul..."The people who feel sexually explicit books should be openly available to minors are contributing to what the law says they should not, and cannot have"<br /><br />Which law is that? Can you provide me the details. Thanks.Concerned West Bend Citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11269774099507336969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6342364914875572105.post-64371065299873601662009-05-24T07:53:58.381-05:002009-05-24T07:53:58.381-05:00"(a) she isn't an organizer of this event;"
My ex..."(a) she isn't an organizer of this event;"<br /><br />My exact words "help organize a protest"<br /><br /><br />"the target of this event is YOU"<br /><br />Interesting. Can you explain? I have not seen anything that indicates such. Please provide substantiation, if you could. Thanks!<br /><br />"..you note that this group will be protesting "parents/patrons/youth in West Bend". Again, I see no evidence that these people are the intended target."<br /><br />Evidence: This group states (in a number of places and many times) that they want the books to stay in the YA Zone, unlabeled, open to children without provision for parental assistance with identification). Since the parents, taxpayers and patrons of this city are the ones asking for the help of their local library, this is clearly a slap in the face of those people by the YA librarian, as well as participants. The people who feel sexually explicit books should be openly available to minors are contributing to what the law says they should not, and cannot have. Why? Because it is damaging. This, by the way, is common sense.West Bend Citizen Advocatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674336754911157020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6342364914875572105.post-37805039674214875112009-05-23T16:27:00.512-05:002009-05-23T16:27:00.512-05:00.... "silent speech"— if noting that something is ....... "silent speech"— if noting that something is "said," (implied) internally and not spoken out loud..<br /><br />But hey, I don't get into the whole issue of picking apart quotes, bolds, commas, parentheses on people's blogs. Just kind another one of those things that distract people from the subject at hand. If you are still feeling shocked, however, maybe you could go outside today and take a nice long walk and enjoy a large iced tea!<br /><br />Yes, she "very well could be posting these comments during a break or lunch hour." Still, just wondering....West Bend Citizen Advocatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674336754911157020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6342364914875572105.post-86803906093964613662009-05-23T15:41:06.691-05:002009-05-23T15:41:06.691-05:00Curious. When you say "march" in protest (and you ...Curious. When you say "march" in protest (and you putting the word march in quotes), who are you quoting? The description of the read-in on facebook doesn't say anything about a "march", which certainly has certain implications. Rather, it notes that the group will "walk peacefully". I'm shocked that you would use inflammatory language to describe the event. Shocked.<br /><br />Also, you note that this group will be protesting "parents/patrons/youth in West Bend". Again, I see no evidence that these people are the intended target. If anyone, the target of this event is YOU, Ginny. <br /><br />Further, if you're "just wondering" whether Ms. Pekoll is using "TAXPAYER TIME" to "organize a protest", consider the following: (a) she isn't an organizer of this event; (b) she very well could be posting these comments during a break or lunch hour.<br /><br />Finally, where are you copying the dialogue between Mary Reilly-Kliss and Maria Hanrahan?Concerned West Bend Citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11269774099507336969noreply@blogger.com